Spoonfed Chinese experiment on hold

You may remember I said two months ago that I was going to try learning Mandarin Chinese with the Spoonfed Chinese Anki deck and very little else. If you don’t remember, refer to that post here. I said I would provide an update every 10% of the way, which is approximately how far I’ve gotten with it now. However I’m going to have to put the experiment on hold for a very simple reason:

Mandarin is interfering with my Cantonese.

The two languages have some significant differences, but they’re ultimately very, very similar. This will be great for me when I finally get round to learning Mandarin seriously, but right now my Cantonese isn’t quite good enough yet.

I’m just stepping into Advanced now and picking up more key vocabulary. When I learn to pronounce something one way in Cantonese, then right away step into the Spoonfed deck and learn to say it a different way, it honestly messes with my head. The net result is I don’t learn it in either language. With enough repetition it sticks eventually, but it’s frustrating and makes me dread learning instead of look forward to it.

All hope is not lost, though. I don’t want to lose the gains I’ve made with Mandarin so far, so I’m going to set the deck to give me only 1 new card ever day. That way I still get to revise what I know already, and still continue to learn at a drastically reduced rate.

Eventually, once I consider myself proficient in Cantonese, I’ll be able to return with more seriousness. It will be like my Japanese levels, where I can comfortably read 結果 as “kekka” in Japanese and as “gitgwo” in Cantonese without any problems. I’ve heard of people working on both Mandarin and Cantonese at the same time, but I don’t have the background they do (or the resilience and intelligence, shrug) so I’m not going to force myself.

Brief comment on the Spoonfed Chinese Anki deck though: it’s really good. Some might consider it repetitive, but it’s great for me. It gives a new vocabulary item, hammers it in with some examples, then moves on to the next item. And it frequently incorporates other things you’ve learned in the past so you don’t forget them. You’ll just be building your Chinese reading skills brick by brick, sentence by sentence. And speaking skills too, if you did like I did and sounded each sentence out loud.

Aahm, yum yum yum

So if you’re learning just Mandarin or if you’re made of sterner stuff than me, I recommend it all the way. Other languages have sentence decks as well, but at least for Cantonese and Korean I haven’t seen anything as systematic and easy to follow. That’s all the more reason why I don’t want to quit entirely but merely sloooow down to a crawl for now.

Any Cantonese progress?

Things are looking up on the Cantonese front. I recently found a great tool which is just what I need to push me over the Intermediate plateau. It’s the Reading tool on Languages.io, specifically the Cantonese Conversations course. 100 native-level conversations with full audio and written Cantonese. Amazing! I’ll write a fuller report once I’ve fooled around with it a little more, but I’m seeing great progress already just from listening to each one. There is light at the end of the Cantonese tunnel at last!

Trying to learn Mandarin with the Spoonfed Chinese Anki deck

Exactly what it says in the title – I’m thinking of learning Mandarin Chinese and I’ve found a promising tool for it. Anki is a spaced repetition system that helps you memorize stuff, Google it. And in addition to uploading your own sentences, you can also download pre-made decks where people have compiled and shared their vocabulary lists, sentences, etc. I’m already using four of these intermittently for Korean and Cantonese:

FSI Cantonese
Cantonese Words
Korean Grammar Sentences by Evita
Korean 한자어 Vocabulary Builder (Sino-Korean words)

Now I just added one more: SpoonFed Chinese. 8000+ Mandarin sentences supposedly arranged in order of difficulty so they regularly introduce new vocabulary items and grammar concepts. The idea is that by the time you work through the whole deck, you will have a ton of vocabs and grammar as well as reading and listening practice so you will be functionally competent in Mandarin.

Does it work? I googled around for a bit, but didn’t get enough results to prove it. Most people who use the SpoonFed Chinese deck do so with a number of other resources, and those who said they would use it exclusively have never reported back on their results. I myself plan to use it exclusively at first, but will branch out into other stuff if I find Mandarin interesting enough to stick with.

Full disclaimer: I’m not a complete beginner at Mandarin Chinese. I took a semester of Chinese in college ages ago and I’ve been learning Cantonese for many years now. I would say I’m an upper beginner in Mandarin and maybe medium-intermediate in Cantonese? So if I come back months later and say “Hey, look at all these cool things I can do with Mandarin now!” you should know that I didn’t start from zero. I.e. “results may not be typical.”

Before I go, I should answer the question no one is asking: why Mandarin, and why now? I took that semester in Chinese in college and dropped it because I wasn’t very interested in China or in Chinese culture. And I’m still not, not really. But in the past year I’ve been reading more Chinese webtoons and romance web novels, and some of them are pretty fun.

I’m really grateful to the companies and fan translators who make it possible for me to enjoy the better series (especially the non-rapey, non-abusive prince/CEO titles, which are like 1 in a million). At the same time, sometimes you see a series on NovelUpdates and it has over 1000 chapters… but only 10 are translated. Case in point, The Delicate Prince and His Shrewd Peasant Consort.

I appreciate the free translations, but in the 2.5+ years it would take for this series to be fully translated, I’m pretty sure I could learn enough Chinese to read it for myself. Assuming I put in a lot of hard work and didn’t lose motivation, which is a big “assuming.” Which is also why I’m not spending money on many resources or books or anything. Just SpoonFed Chinese to begin with, then we’ll see.

How often will I update on this pet project? Not very often, because I’m not that serious about it. Korean and Cantonese still come first before Mandarin. Let’s aim for either updates every 6 months or every 10% of the deck, whichever comes first. Either way it will be a fun experiment, so look forward to the results!