Finished the (No Typing) Essential Cantonese Vocabulary course on Memrise

Where “finished” means I did half the course, because the other half is the same sentences or words, just with the card reversed. (No Typing) Essential Cantonese Vocabulary is a fully-voiced audio course on Memrise which takes you from “Hello” to long advertising slogans and tongue-twisters which aren’t exactly essential but are fun to learn.

As a Cantonese learner who has been stuck at intermediate for years and is now trying to break through to the advanced level, what I need most is vocabulary and native-level audio and video input. While the speech in this course is a little slower and a lot clearer than what you’ll hear people on Hong Kong radio, TV and Youtube speaking, it’s still enough to be a good reference and you will hear much of the vocab being used on an everyday basis.

I’d say it’s a really good course for those on the beginner-to-intermediate level, but after that what you really need is just regular native conversation from regular native content. At the very least you should move on to natural content for children like Peppa Pig in Cantonese on Youtube (download it ASAP before it gets taken down).

However, it’s still a worthwhile experience when you’ve just reached intermediate, because you will inevitably have some gaps in your vocabulary. For example, I didn’t know all the parts of the body, I didn’t know the names of some clothing items like scarves and high heels, common food ingredients like oyster sauce and hoisin sauce, etc.

And getting more sentence practice while I was at it was a good thing as well. Memrise works by repeated words and phrases over and over again until they’re burned into your brain, so my recall of the stuff I learned is really high.

If I had to criticize the Essential Cantonese Vocabulary it would be for two things. Firstly, half the deck is wasted on repeats, so it’s really only about 900 cards instead of almost 2000 like you might first expect. And secondly there are a few mistakes that haven’t been fixed despite being pointed out ages ago, probably because the deck is no longer being maintained.

But those are just minor criticisms. If you’ve finished the usual gauntlet of basic textbooks like “Teach Yourself Cantonese” and Youtube videos and you’re still feeling a bit weak in terms of everyday vocabulary, this is a good place to fill in some gaps, refresh your memory or cement what you’ve learned into your brain.

In any case, there are very few intermediate or advanced Memrise Cantonese courses that take you past the basic level and have both Cantonese characters (not jyutping! say no to romanization once you’re past the beginner level!) and quality audio. Apart from this one, I only know of Intermediate Cantonese w Audio, mostly taken from Adamn Sheik’s Cantonese website and Cantonese through Song, now sadly abandoned.

So if you use Memrise and you’re learning Cantonese, this is one of the few options you’ve got, so have at it!

For me, my next step is to move on to native Hong Kong dramas and TV shows with Chinese subtitles, not English. I tested myself briefly with an episode of Wong Fei Hung and realized I could understand about 80% of what was happening as long as I checked the subs. For now I will work through all the Cantonese Peppa Pig episodes on YouTube while searching for Cantonese (not “written Chinese”) subtitles. I’ll share any findings I make here so fellow learners can benefit. See you in a bit~.

 

How fluent will you be after levels 1-10 of Talk to Me in Korean?

Talk to Me in Korean (a.k.a. TTMIK) is a website that teaches Korean to absolute beginners. It starts with stuff like “this” and “that” and “hello” and “goodbye,” the very basics of the basics. I’m not fluent in Cantonese yet, but I’m comfortable enough that I’m ready to start branching out into other languages. Besides, I’ve been watching a Korean drama lately that’s quite fun. I didn’t used to like the sound of Korean very much, but the more I listen to it, the more it grows on me, so I’ll be idly – very, very idly – learning Korean for the next year.

There was no special reason for me choosing Talk to Me in Korean, except people criticized it online for being too basic and I thought “That’s what I want!” Plus I downloaded a few other random resources and textbooks and they were all way too hardcore for me. My hardcore language for now will continue to be Cantonese. Korean will just be my bit on the side until I’m ready to dig deeper, so “too basic” is just perfect for me.

How’s my progress so far? Well I’ve learned all the basic Hangeul alphabet using a Memrise app for that (I used the Android version, not the website I linked, but it’s the same thing). It’s pretty easy once you get the hang of it. Some people say you can go do it in 15 minutes, but for me it took about 2 weeks of repeated drilling for it to stick in my head. Now I can recognize most words after some study, and I think my recognition speed is getting faster by the day. Memrise is pretty handing for drilling stuff until you finally master it, more on it some other day.

After finishing the Hangeul, I’m now on Level 1 of the Talk to me in Korean lessons. I told you I was just doing the basics, didn’t I? Most recently I learned “It’s not me” and “That is not a cat.” I’m so fluent now… not! 😀 Baby steps. One thing I’m not doing is listening to the podcasts. I realized quickly they spend 95% of each lesson speaking in English. Besides, I don’t really like podcasts. I read much faster than I listen.

So what I do is, I read the PDFs under each lesson, then I drill them into my head using the corresponding Memrise lesson. Simple enough. It only takes about 15 minutes a day to go through a lesson so it’s not getting in the way of my other learning efforts. And since there about 265 lessons in the TTMIK curriculum, I should be done in roughly 8 months if I’m faithful and don’t skip too many days. I googled a lot to see how fluent I should be at that point, and the answer is “not very” but I want to see for myself.

I’m not affiliated with either Memrise or Talk to me in Korean, btw. Just recording what I’m doing and how it’s going. I’ll check back after… hmm… 3 months? If I don’t forget, that is. I’m also using Memrise to kick my Cantonese up a notch but I haven’t seen too much progress on that front yet. More on that story as it develops.